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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 10, 2024 15:53:09 GMT -5
Germany had agreements for several nations that they didn't invade. a 75% chance of survival is better than zero. Which ones? (And you didn't answer my question) I did answer it. Estonia, Denmark, Latvia, France, the Soviet Union, all had agreements with Germany, at the time. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 10, 2024 15:57:05 GMT -5
Germany had no choice in the matter. The Treaty of Versailles was extremely flawed and resulted in Hitler gaining power and World War II. The reality was Danzig was 90% German and aligned with Germany. Giving access across the Danzig corridor would have been a small concession as opposed to the catastrophic consequences that resulted from not negotiating. Germany had no choice, BECAUSE THEY LOST THE FIRST WORLD WAR. You would reward them for wanting to start another world war. Please don't run for any kind of office, because all your opposition would have to do is make threats and you would cave and give them everything they want. Reward them how? By simply allowing them to put highways across a corridor so they would have access to an autonomous City? The city of Danzig didn't belong to Poland. If I were in office I would be following the ideology of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. You thinking committing suicide is a good decision is laughable. |
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Post by ron on Feb 10, 2024 16:10:18 GMT -5
You really don't know much about history. Few do. It's a national tragedy that hurts the country. And the ignorant vote for Trump |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 10, 2024 16:37:14 GMT -5
Which ones? (And you didn't answer my question) I did answer it. Estonia, Denmark, Latvia, France, the Soviet Union, all had agreements with Germany, at the time. Lol, and you are claiming Germany didn't invade any of those nations? |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 10, 2024 16:37:59 GMT -5
Germany had no choice, BECAUSE THEY LOST THE FIRST WORLD WAR. You would reward them for wanting to start another world war. Please don't run for any kind of office, because all your opposition would have to do is make threats and you would cave and give them everything they want. Reward them how? By simply allowing them to put highways across a corridor so they would have access to an autonomous City? The city of Danzig didn't belong to Poland. If I were in office I would be following the ideology of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. You thinking committing suicide is a good decision is laughable. Rewarding them by giving them territories that aren't theirs. |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 10, 2024 16:39:40 GMT -5
Reward them how? By simply allowing them to put highways across a corridor so they would have access to an autonomous City? The city of Danzig didn't belong to Poland. If I were in office I would be following the ideology of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. You thinking committing suicide is a good decision is laughable. Rewarding them by giving them territories that aren't theirs. Lmao. Washington and Jefferson didn't just give aggressors anything they want. And it's hilarious how you can't grasp the simple concept that Hitler was not trustworthy and had no intention to negotiate in good faith |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 10, 2024 17:08:35 GMT -5
Totally stable genius
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Post by Cmart on Feb 10, 2024 17:09:49 GMT -5
The very (exact) same thing that happened to Czechoslovakia. Hitler demanded the Sudetenland. That led to the Munich Agreement. Led by your man, Neville, Mr Peace, Chamberlain, the UK and France convinced the Czechs to give Hitler the Sudetenland for peace. Hitler set the terms of the negotiations. They gave him everything he wanted. For peace. To keep from another war. Peace in our time. So how did the peace negotiations work out- Hitler soon invaded Czechoslovakia. The "gain" from negotiating with someone hellbent on war was, shockingly, war..... Aside from being the one who declared war on Germany, I've already shown you that Chamberlain knew the UK was not prepared to fight Hitler, according to his own military advisors, and there was no public appetite for going to war over an area of Czechoslovakia that was primarily German. Poland not negotiating with Hitler was suicide. It led to 6 million deaths, and later an occupation by the Soviet Union that lasted decades. I realize we all think we're tough guys and would have done things differently, but sometimes you just have to use a little common sense. Hitler and Stalin would have absolutely taken over Poland anyway, even if Poland ‘negotiated’ with them. There wasn’t much of a secret that the Nazis and Soviets fully intended to take over the entirety of Poland. The Polish people knew they stood almost no chance but they fought bravely anyway. England and France sat there and did nothing. Did you expect Poland to just surrender and not fight for their country? |
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Post by eXiT on Feb 10, 2024 17:15:47 GMT -5
Hmm the guy who messes up words, or the guy begging Russia to attack European allies, and desires to be a dictator... Tough choice.... |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 10, 2024 17:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by eXiT on Feb 10, 2024 17:50:13 GMT -5
Hes a complete scumbag... |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 10, 2024 18:03:03 GMT -5
Aside from being the one who declared war on Germany, I've already shown you that Chamberlain knew the UK was not prepared to fight Hitler, according to his own military advisors, and there was no public appetite for going to war over an area of Czechoslovakia that was primarily German. Poland not negotiating with Hitler was suicide. It led to 6 million deaths, and later an occupation by the Soviet Union that lasted decades. I realize we all think we're tough guys and would have done things differently, but sometimes you just have to use a little common sense. Hitler and Stalin would have absolutely taken over Poland anyway, even if Poland ‘negotiated’ with them. There wasn’t much of a secret that the Nazis and Soviets fully intended to take over the entirety of Poland. The Polish people knew they stood almost no chance but they fought bravely anyway. England and France sat there and did nothing. Did you expect Poland to just surrender and not fight for their country? we've seen the catastrophic results. i can believe even the polish don't have regrets. We don't really know what would have happened. But I think it's better to negotiate and buy yourself some time, then go on a suicide mission. Actually all Hitler wanted in the beginning was access across the Danzig corridor. France and England did have an alliance with Poland. Now think if France and England had not gotten involved, and Germany and the ussr had gone to war and simply canceled each other out. |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 10, 2024 19:43:40 GMT -5
Hes a complete scumbag... Her husband responds... |
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Post by Lige on Feb 10, 2024 19:50:24 GMT -5
Actually all Hitler wanted in the beginning was access across the Danzig corridor. You're not familiar with Mein Kampf or the concept of lebensraum? Pick up a history book. |
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Post by E Nice on Feb 10, 2024 20:34:07 GMT -5
I don't even know what to make of the last 5 or so pages...
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Post by Cmart on Feb 10, 2024 21:07:14 GMT -5
Actually all Hitler wanted in the beginning was access across the Danzig corridor. You're not familiar with Mein Kampf or the concept of lebensraum? Pick up a history book. I hadn’t read Mein Kampf up until a few months ago, but entering the history education profession I figured I should. Not an easy read, but what a nut job. |
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Post by cityofchamps on Feb 10, 2024 21:14:40 GMT -5
I don't even know what to make of the last 5 or so pages... When Tinkeg is joining the majority against castles, he absolutely fucked up with his take. He has to be trolling here. No other explanation for his blatant disregard for history and what actually happened that started WWII. |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 10, 2024 21:45:16 GMT -5
I don't even know what to make of the last 5 or so pages... a troll (a bad one at that) is trolling and a bored poster is humoring him into posting more of the dumbest takes imaginable |
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Post by Lige on Feb 10, 2024 22:59:21 GMT -5
You're not familiar with Mein Kampf or the concept of lebensraum? Pick up a history book. I hadn’t read Mein Kampf up until a few months ago, but entering the history education profession I figured I should. Not an easy read, but what a nut job. That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 10, 2024 23:01:59 GMT -5
I hadn’t read Mein Kampf up until a few months ago, but entering the history education profession I figured I should. Not an easy read, but what a nut job. That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
they give insight into the minds of some of the most tyrannical rulers the world has known. Id say they have a lot of value. as the saying goes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it |
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Post by Lige on Feb 10, 2024 23:19:59 GMT -5
That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
they give insight into the minds of some of the most tyrannical rulers the world has known. Id say they have a lot of value. as the saying goes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it Summer of 2006.
My first semester of grad school and I had a class called Seminar of Modern Germany. I had to do a lot of reading in 8 weeks and I liked to do it on my front porch while listening to classical music.
Also that summer was the World Cup, and me being of German stock was rooting for the Fatherland. I was wearing German t- shirts and had a flag flying off the porch on game days.
One sunny afternoon I watched a match and then did my study routine with some Wagner on the stereo and a book on Nazi Germany on my lap. I was about ten minutes into it when I realized what my neighbors might be thinking. White guy with a German flag, music, shirt and a book that had a big fucking swastika on the cover.
I read at the picnic table out back after that.
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Post by Cmart on Feb 10, 2024 23:34:50 GMT -5
I hadn’t read Mein Kampf up until a few months ago, but entering the history education profession I figured I should. Not an easy read, but what a nut job. That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
I don’t see a problem with those books being around. Hell, I’d encourage my students to read them. Obviously Hitler was a lunatic and communism doesn’t work, but a true history student should understand the theories behind some of this stuff. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 10, 2024 23:55:07 GMT -5
Few do. It's a national tragedy that hurts the country. And the ignorant vote for Trump Even here, TDS owns and humiliates you... |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 10, 2024 23:56:30 GMT -5
How did you get picked off? |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 0:06:00 GMT -5
I don't even know what to make of the last 5 or so pages... When Tinkeg is joining the majority against castles, he absolutely fucked up with his take. He has to be trolling here. No other explanation for his blatant disregard for history and what actually happened that started WWII. I simply take the position easiest to justify and defend in the context of reality and facts. Castles is making a popular mistake here...staying too loyal to his shovel. He's an anti-war pacifist. Good for him, he's allowed that (for now). As someone who values consistency, I give him credit for staying true to his values. But he's clearly wrong about Hitler's aggression and would be wiser to put down the shovel. War and peace are not absolutes, and believing Hitler would embrace peace if everyone played nice with him is laughable. |
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