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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 0:09:23 GMT -5
That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
I don’t see a problem with those books being around. Hell, I’d encourage my students to read them. Obviously Hitler was a lunatic and communism doesn’t work, but a true history student should understand the theories behind some of this stuff. Yep, information is always valuable. Reading and understanding the NAZI movement is valuable. It is believing in and practicing it that is a concern. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 0:12:30 GMT -5
Hes a complete scumbag... Speaking of scumbags, include those who spent the last near decade attacking Trump's spouse only to now pretend outrage over asking about one because TDS..... |
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Post by Craig440 on Feb 11, 2024 0:50:57 GMT -5
Joe Biden has always stuttered they say.
Nothing to see here.
This is not stuttering my friends; this is brain fog. It's only going to get worse. I'm dealing with it with my mom. The democrat party needs to replace him and nominate someone else for all of our sakes and for him.
I go to the old folks place to see my mom three days a week. I talk to a lot of the people there. I can see it in some of their eyes including my mom. I see it in his eyes. It's sad
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 1:14:31 GMT -5
I did answer it. Estonia, Denmark, Latvia, France, the Soviet Union, all had agreements with Germany, at the time. Lol, and you are claiming Germany didn't invade any of those nations? I'm just claiming he didn't invade all of them before Poland. Germany and the USSR were not friendly. Poland could have played Germany against the USSR. Instead, they refuse to negotiate, and got swallowed up by both of them. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 1:17:08 GMT -5
Reward them how? By simply allowing them to put highways across a corridor so they would have access to an autonomous City? The city of Danzig didn't belong to Poland. If I were in office I would be following the ideology of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. You thinking committing suicide is a good decision is laughable. Rewarding them by giving them territories that aren't theirs. Initially Hitler didn't ask for any territories, he just wanted access across the Danzig corridor. negotiating is still a better option than suicide. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 1:31:43 GMT -5
When Tinkeg is joining the majority against castles, he absolutely fucked up with his take. He has to be trolling here. No other explanation for his blatant disregard for history and what actually happened that started WWII. I simply take the position easiest to justify and defend in the context of reality and facts. Castles is making a popular mistake here...staying too loyal to his shovel. He's an anti-war pacifist. Good for him, he's allowed that (for now). As someone who values consistency, I give him credit for staying true to his values. But he's clearly wrong about Hitler's aggression and would be wiser to put down the shovel. War and peace are not absolutes, and believing Hitler would embrace peace if everyone played nice with him is laughable. When you got the libs agreeing with you it's a big red flag. They are rarely right about anything. I'm not actually a pacifist, I'm a constitutionalist. And I'm a strong fiscal conservative. I believe in doing a cost benefit analysis prior to making a decision, and am not of the belief that government can print an unlimited amount of money or that our military is invincible. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 2:18:38 GMT -5
I simply take the position easiest to justify and defend in the context of reality and facts. Castles is making a popular mistake here...staying too loyal to his shovel. He's an anti-war pacifist. Good for him, he's allowed that (for now). As someone who values consistency, I give him credit for staying true to his values. But he's clearly wrong about Hitler's aggression and would be wiser to put down the shovel. War and peace are not absolutes, and believing Hitler would embrace peace if everyone played nice with him is laughable. When you got the libs agreeing with you it's a big red flag. They are rarely right about anything. I'm not actually a pacifist, I'm a constitutionalist. And I'm a strong fiscal conservative. I believe in doing a cost benefit analysis prior to making a decision, and am not of the belief that government can print an unlimited amount of money or that our military is invincible. Your shovel is doing you a major disservice. I have no shame or regret with anyone agreeing with me, I have a big and welcoming tent. If a lib were to claim 2+2=4, I would not say, no! 5. I would welcome them to the right side of the topic. The more everyone sets aside the groupthink and takes the right side the better we all will be. You may indeed be a Constitutionalist but this isn't your finest example. The outbreak of war in Europe in the late 30's had no relationship or responsibility to the Constitution. You took a pacifist position and tried to hide behind the Constitution. Anti'war and pro-war both have a limited place. I t is the reasoned and considered decision evaluating all factors that typically yields the smartest choice. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 2:51:42 GMT -5
When you got the libs agreeing with you it's a big red flag. They are rarely right about anything. I'm not actually a pacifist, I'm a constitutionalist. And I'm a strong fiscal conservative. I believe in doing a cost benefit analysis prior to making a decision, and am not of the belief that government can print an unlimited amount of money or that our military is invincible. Your shovel is doing you a major disservice. I have no shame or regret with anyone agreeing with me, I have a big and welcoming tent. If a lib were to claim 2+2=4, I would not say, no! 5. I would welcome them to the right side of the topic. The more everyone sets aside the groupthink and takes the right side the better we all will be. You may indeed be a Constitutionalist but this isn't your finest example. The outbreak of war in Europe in the late 30's had no relationship or responsibility to the Constitution. You took a pacifist position and tried to hide behind the Constitution. Anti'war and pro-war both have a limited place. I t is the reasoned and considered decision evaluating all factors that typically yields the smartest choice. there's no such thing as hiding behind the constitution. it's the law of the land. the reason foreign and domestic policy has been such a train wreck is because the constitution is being subverted. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 3:39:28 GMT -5
Your shovel is doing you a major disservice. I have no shame or regret with anyone agreeing with me, I have a big and welcoming tent. If a lib were to claim 2+2=4, I would not say, no! 5. I would welcome them to the right side of the topic. The more everyone sets aside the groupthink and takes the right side the better we all will be. You may indeed be a Constitutionalist but this isn't your finest example. The outbreak of war in Europe in the late 30's had no relationship or responsibility to the Constitution. You took a pacifist position and tried to hide behind the Constitution. Anti'war and pro-war both have a limited place. I t is the reasoned and considered decision evaluating all factors that typically yields the smartest choice. there's no such thing as hiding behind the constitution. it's the law of the land. the reason foreign and domestic policy has been such a train wreck is because the constitution is being subverted. Fair enough. How did Hitler, Poland, Chamberlain, Czechoslovakia, USSR.... violate our Constitution? Maybe I missed something... |
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Post by bern on Feb 11, 2024 7:57:19 GMT -5
I hadn’t read Mein Kampf up until a few months ago, but entering the history education profession I figured I should. Not an easy read, but what a nut job. That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
Having read The Communist Manifesto I don't see how it is comparable to Mein Kampf in any shape or form. |
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Post by bern on Feb 11, 2024 8:12:46 GMT -5
they give insight into the minds of some of the most tyrannical rulers the world has known. Id say they have a lot of value. as the saying goes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it Summer of 2006.
My first semester of grad school and I had a class called Seminar of Modern Germany. I had to do a lot of reading in 8 weeks and I liked to do it on my front porch while listening to classical music.
Also that summer was the World Cup, and me being of German stock was rooting for the Fatherland. I was wearing German t- shirts and had a flag flying off the porch on game days.
One sunny afternoon I watched a match and then did my study routine with some Wagner on the stereo and a book on Nazi Germany on my lap. I was about ten minutes into it when I realized what my neighbors might be thinking. White guy with a German flag, music, shirt and a book that had a big fucking swastika on the cover.
I read at the picnic table out back after that.
In 2016-2017 I was in my first semesters in college. I used to read while on the train on the way to college and on the way home. I read many books and Mein Kampf was one of the books I wanted to read. I was sure that I could never read a book like that with the cover on full display. Hell, I was afraid to buy it online and having the cops knock at my door lol. Having said that, I have never read it and I also hold the opinion that people should read it. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. |
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Post by Lige on Feb 11, 2024 9:30:34 GMT -5
That's one of the books on the shelves behind my desk that people are like WTF man?
Mao's Little Red Book, Communist Manifesto, Lost Cause works, and other "alternative" literature have their place in history. Mostly as a warning.
Having read The Communist Manifesto I don't see how it is comparable to Mein Kampf in any shape or form. They're only comparable due to the fact of their controversial nature. Definitely not mainstream thought. |
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Post by Lige on Feb 11, 2024 9:34:37 GMT -5
Summer of 2006.
My first semester of grad school and I had a class called Seminar of Modern Germany. I had to do a lot of reading in 8 weeks and I liked to do it on my front porch while listening to classical music.
Also that summer was the World Cup, and me being of German stock was rooting for the Fatherland. I was wearing German t- shirts and had a flag flying off the porch on game days.
One sunny afternoon I watched a match and then did my study routine with some Wagner on the stereo and a book on Nazi Germany on my lap. I was about ten minutes into it when I realized what my neighbors might be thinking. White guy with a German flag, music, shirt and a book that had a big fucking swastika on the cover.
I read at the picnic table out back after that.
In 2016-2017 I was in my first semesters in college. I used to read while on the train on the way to college and on the way home. I read many books and Mein Kampf was one of the books I wanted to read. I was sure that I could never read a book like that with the cover on full display. Hell, I was afraid to buy it online and having the cops knock at my door lol. Having said that, I have never read it and I also hold the opinion that people should read it. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. It was a tough read because of the sheer lunacy of his beliefs and his attempts to rationalize them. I had to take it in in small doses. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 10:00:04 GMT -5
there's no such thing as hiding behind the constitution. it's the law of the land. the reason foreign and domestic policy has been such a train wreck is because the constitution is being subverted. Fair enough. How did Hitler, Poland, Chamberlain, Czechoslovakia, USSR.... violate our Constitution? Maybe I missed something... you tell me. you brought up hiding behind the constitution. |
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Post by bern on Feb 11, 2024 10:23:23 GMT -5
In 2016-2017 I was in my first semesters in college. I used to read while on the train on the way to college and on the way home. I read many books and Mein Kampf was one of the books I wanted to read. I was sure that I could never read a book like that with the cover on full display. Hell, I was afraid to buy it online and having the cops knock at my door lol. Having said that, I have never read it and I also hold the opinion that people should read it. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. It was a tough read because of the sheer lunacy of his beliefs and his attempts to rationalize them. I had to take it in in small doses. I can imagine it being a tougher read in 2006 than in today's world. Social media turned attempts to rationalize lunacy of beliefs by nutjobs more acessible to read. Proof is the fact that it's not too hard to find tweets by "End Wokeness" or Clay Travis around here. |
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Post by ron on Feb 11, 2024 11:03:39 GMT -5
While we are on the subject of Nazi history books.
Who has read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.... cover to cover?
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 11, 2024 11:35:15 GMT -5
Lol, and you are claiming Germany didn't invade any of those nations? I'm just claiming he didn't invade all of them before Poland. Germany and the USSR were not friendly. Poland could have played Germany against the USSR. Instead, they refuse to negotiate, and got swallowed up by both of them. Lol. OK. But let's pretend he hadn't already violated other pacts and treaties. (Hell, the simple fact that he could threaten Poland was proof he couldn't follow treaties). And let's ignore that his desire to invade Russia (and Poland) wasn't already public knowledge. You claim that "negotiating" with someone who is going to shoot you in the head anyway is a good thing. Lol. You love revisionist history to try to suit your trolling. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 11:52:28 GMT -5
I'm just claiming he didn't invade all of them before Poland. Germany and the USSR were not friendly. Poland could have played Germany against the USSR. Instead, they refuse to negotiate, and got swallowed up by both of them. Lol. OK. But let's pretend he hadn't already violated other pacts and treaties. (Hell, the simple fact that he could threaten Poland was proof he couldn't follow treaties). And let's ignore that his desire to invade Russia (and Poland) wasn't already public knowledge. You claim that "negotiating" with someone who is going to shoot you in the head anyway is a good thing. Lol. You love revisionist history to try to suit your trolling. i'll always take plan b over suicide. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 11, 2024 11:56:27 GMT -5
Fair enough. How did Hitler, Poland, Chamberlain, Czechoslovakia, USSR.... violate our Constitution? Maybe I missed something... you tell me. you brought up hiding behind the constitution. I'm not actually a pacifist, I'm a constitutionalist. |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 12:02:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. How did Hitler, Poland, Chamberlain, Czechoslovakia, USSR.... violate our Constitution? Maybe I missed something... you tell me. you brought up hiding behind the constitution. I'm not actually a pacifist, I'm a constitutionalist. Okay i'll stand by that. |
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Post by Cmart on Feb 11, 2024 12:10:06 GMT -5
While we are on the subject of Nazi history books. Who has read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.... cover to cover? Tried but couldn’t get through it. It’s pretty dated, and you can tell that the author isn’t a history writer. |
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Post by cityofchamps on Feb 11, 2024 12:19:00 GMT -5
Joe Biden has always stuttered they say. Nothing to see here. This is not stuttering my friends; this is brain fog. It's only going to get worse. I'm dealing with it with my mom. The democrat party needs to replace him and nominate someone else for all of our sakes and for him. I go to the old folks place to see my mom three days a week. I talk to a lot of the people there. I can see it in some of their eyes including my mom. I see it in his eyes. It's sad At least Biden won't give Russia free reign to attack our NATO allies if they won't pay the same amount of money to their defenses that we do. If "brain fog" is all you have against Biden, then I will take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Trump. I agree that there should be an age limit for Presidents and members of Congress. This country deserves better than decrepit 80 year olds making laws that they will never live long enough to see the results of. However, if what we have now is what we got for the immediate future, the right choice between the two old dudes is and always will be Biden, regardless of who is making the actual decisions, because the alternative is Trump. |
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Post by ron on Feb 11, 2024 12:22:32 GMT -5
Joe Biden has always stuttered they say. Nothing to see here. This is not stuttering my friends; this is brain fog. It's only going to get worse. I'm dealing with it with my mom. The democrat party needs to replace him and nominate someone else for all of our sakes and for him. I go to the old folks place to see my mom three days a week. I talk to a lot of the people there. I can see it in some of their eyes including my mom. I see it in his eyes. It's sad At least Biden won't give Russia free reign to attack our NATO allies if they won't pay the same amount of money to their defenses that we do. If "brain fog" is all you have against Biden, then I will take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Trump. I agree that there should be an age limit for Presidents and members of Congress. This country deserves better than decrepit 80 year olds making laws that they will never live long enough to see the results of. However, if what we have now is what we got for the immediate future, the right choice between the two old dudes is and always will be Biden, regardless of who is making the actual decisions, because the alternative is Trump. Where’s the Democrats farm system? I guess they looted it they elevated Obama |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 11, 2024 12:27:43 GMT -5
Lol. OK. But let's pretend he hadn't already violated other pacts and treaties. (Hell, the simple fact that he could threaten Poland was proof he couldn't follow treaties). And let's ignore that his desire to invade Russia (and Poland) wasn't already public knowledge. You claim that "negotiating" with someone who is going to shoot you in the head anyway is a good thing. Lol. You love revisionist history to try to suit your trolling. i'll always take plan b over suicide. Plan B was suicide, you simply refuse to acknowledge it |
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Post by castles made of sand... on Feb 11, 2024 12:29:43 GMT -5
i'll always take plan b over suicide. Plan B was suicide, you simply refuse to acknowledge it We know plan A was. Plan B would have bought them some time at the very least. |
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