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Post by olaf on Feb 29, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -5
Satire becomes reality, again... This is neither satire, nor reality... again |
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Post by cwood on Feb 29, 2024 12:05:33 GMT -5
Lol why are you wasting your time? People who don't care that Trump tried to overthrow American democracy aren't going to be concerned with a little financial fraud. Financial fraud assumes someone lost money .. who lost money? I've told you, exit has told you, and I'm sure other people have done the same. How many times would you like this explained to you? |
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Post by olaf on Feb 29, 2024 12:09:38 GMT -5
It's amazing the lengths people will go through to defend trump... who claimed they don't like trump.
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:01:26 GMT -5
Financial fraud assumes someone lost money .. who lost money? I've told you, exit has told you, and I'm sure other people have done the same. How many times would you like this explained to you? Actually, none of you have answered that, and you still won't (can't). Even the judge who ruled against Trump conceded there was no losses. It's amazing the lengths people will go through to condemn Trump... throwing away the Constitution and adopting a Putin-friendly form of gov't.... |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 13:05:15 GMT -5
I've told you, exit has told you, and I'm sure other people have done the same. How many times would you like this explained to you? Actually, none of you have answered that, and you still won't (can't). Even the judge who ruled against Trump conceded there was no losses. It's amazing the lengths people will go through to condemn Trump... throwing away the Constitution and adopting a Putin-friendly form of gov't....  |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 29, 2024 13:08:20 GMT -5
It's amazing the lengths people will go through to defend trump... who claimed they don't like trump. This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 13:12:15 GMT -5
Mitt Romney states he will not vote for Trump. Romney nails it
“I think what America is as a nation, what has allowed us to be the most powerful nation on Earth and the leader of the Earth, is the character of the people who have been our leaders,” including past presidents, university presidents, and church leaders, he said. “Having a president who is so defaulted of character would have an enormous impact on the character of America, and for me, that’s the primary consideration.”
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Post by olaf on Feb 29, 2024 13:20:55 GMT -5
It's amazing the lengths people will go through to defend trump... who claimed they don't like trump. This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. You defend him no matter what the topic is. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:21:13 GMT -5
Mitt Romney states he will not vote for Trump. Romney nails it “I think what America is as a nation, what has allowed us to be the most powerful nation on Earth and the leader of the Earth, is the character of the people who have been our leaders,” including past presidents, university presidents, and church leaders, he said. “Having a president who is so defaulted of character would have an enormous impact on the character of America, and for me, that’s the primary consideration.” That puts you at the crossroads. Pick between Romney or Biden. Romney doesn't like Trump and won't vote for him. Biden doesn't like Trump and is remaking the gov't in a mirror image of Putin to keep you from voting for Trump. Pick one, reject one. |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 13:21:30 GMT -5
It's amazing the lengths people will go through to defend trump... who claimed they don't like trump. This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. New York’s anti-fraud statute, known as Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. The attorney general must only show “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” Now you know ap.com |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:24:59 GMT -5
Actually, none of you have answered that, and you still won't (can't). Even the judge who ruled against Trump conceded there was no losses. It's amazing the lengths people will go through to condemn Trump... throwing away the Constitution and adopting a Putin-friendly form of gov't.... It never takes the Ron-Bot long to run away....  |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:29:45 GMT -5
New York’s anti-fraud statute, known as Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. The attorney general must only show “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” That's why investors are leaving NY. You don't have to actually do anything wrong to get attacked by politicians in the state. They can arbitrarily just say they don't like you and seize your business. Hochul tried to pacify them by saying this is limited to a hit on Trump, but that doesn't seem to be comforting them..... |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 13:32:15 GMT -5
New York’s anti-fraud statute, known as Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. The attorney general must only show “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” That's why investors are leaving NY. You don't have to actually do anything wrong to get attacked by politicians in the state. They can arbitrarily just say they don't like you and seize your business. Hochul tried to pacify them by saying this is limited to a hit on Trump, but that doesn't seem to be comforting them..... “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts |
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Post by Lord Cornelius on Feb 29, 2024 13:32:22 GMT -5
Mitt Romney states he will not vote for Trump. Romney nails it “I think what America is as a nation, what has allowed us to be the most powerful nation on Earth and the leader of the Earth, is the character of the people who have been our leaders,” including past presidents, university presidents, and church leaders, he said. “Having a president who is so defaulted of character would have an enormous impact on the character of America, and for me, that’s the primary consideration.” This was my line of thinking when committing to voting for anyone not-Trump in 2020, but I think the cultural wound of Trump's leadership on the character of the country already took place a long time ago and we still feel the impact now and I'm not sure it could get much worse but maybe I'm wrong. The Dems seemed to still put so much effort into attacking Trump throughout the last 4 years vs focusing on a clean-up effort and rebuilding trust in leadership / our media / and the idea that our government represents the average human. I.e. doing shit to actually improve things, laying out some creative plans, or even acknowledging the economic crisis most people are in. Instead it seems like according to Dems the economy is awesome, everything is awesome and we need to focus on Trump not running. Great that helps no one. I just feel so hopeless. No one proposing any good solutions to anything. Senile old puppet man vs a psychotic egomaniac round 2 woohoo. Corporate greed vs corporate greed. It doesn't even feel like the government sees or cares about average human problems anymore. We're just in some dysopian future freak show. Pretty sure we're all just being played like puppets by the Oligarchy. Keep us fighting over dumb shit with dumbass politicians while they hoard the wealth |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 13:36:27 GMT -5
Mitt Romney states he will not vote for Trump. Romney nails it “I think what America is as a nation, what has allowed us to be the most powerful nation on Earth and the leader of the Earth, is the character of the people who have been our leaders,” including past presidents, university presidents, and church leaders, he said. “Having a president who is so defaulted of character would have an enormous impact on the character of America, and for me, that’s the primary consideration.” This was my line of thinking when committing to voting for anyone not-Trump in 2020, but I think the cultural wound of Trump's leadership on the character of the country already took place a long time ago and we still feel the impact now and I'm not sure it could get much worse but maybe I'm wrong. The Dems seemed to still put so much effort into attacking Trump throughout the last 4 years vs focusing on a clean-up effort and rebuilding trust in leadership / our media / and the idea that our government represents the average human. I.e. doing shit to actually improve things, laying out some creative plans, or even acknowledging the economic crisis most people are in. Instead it seems like according to Dems the economy is awesome, everything is awesome and we need to focus on Trump not running. Great that helps no one. I just feel so hopeless. No one proposing any good solutions to anything. Senile old puppet man vs a psychotic egomaniac round 2 woohoo. Corporate greed vs corporate greed. It doesn't even feel like the government sees or cares about average human problems anymore. We're just in some dysopian future freak show. Pretty sure we're all just being played like puppets by the Oligarchy. Keep us fighting over dumb shit with dumbass politicians while they hoard the wealth Was there a president in your lifetime that you were happy with? I know this choice between Biden and Trump sucks. Biden is far less dangersous. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:41:24 GMT -5
“repeated fraudulent or illegal acts Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. That's your point exactly. You don't have to do anything illegal for it to be declared a fraud. That's how Putin's gov't works. I know this choice between Biden and Trump sucks. Biden is far more dangerous. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 13:45:11 GMT -5
That's why investors are leaving NY. You don't have to actually do anything wrong to get attacked by politicians in the state. Let Hochul try and comfort investors fleeing the state that it was just a political hit on Trump..... |
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Post by Lord Cornelius on Feb 29, 2024 13:58:25 GMT -5
This was my line of thinking when committing to voting for anyone not-Trump in 2020, but I think the cultural wound of Trump's leadership on the character of the country already took place a long time ago and we still feel the impact now and I'm not sure it could get much worse but maybe I'm wrong. The Dems seemed to still put so much effort into attacking Trump throughout the last 4 years vs focusing on a clean-up effort and rebuilding trust in leadership / our media / and the idea that our government represents the average human. I.e. doing shit to actually improve things, laying out some creative plans, or even acknowledging the economic crisis most people are in. Instead it seems like according to Dems the economy is awesome, everything is awesome and we need to focus on Trump not running. Great that helps no one. I just feel so hopeless. No one proposing any good solutions to anything. Senile old puppet man vs a psychotic egomaniac round 2 woohoo. Corporate greed vs corporate greed. It doesn't even feel like the government sees or cares about average human problems anymore. We're just in some dysopian future freak show. Pretty sure we're all just being played like puppets by the Oligarchy. Keep us fighting over dumb shit with dumbass politicians while they hoard the wealth Was there a president in your lifetime that you were happy with? I know this choice between Biden and Trump sucks. Biden is far less dangersous. Every president in my lifetime was amazing in comparison to Trump lol. At least they weren't publicly displaying behavior that made them objectively horrific role models. Like if you want your kid to grow up to act like Trump something is wrong with you. Like completely remove politics and just think of how he speaks and treats people he interacts with. That's all I'm talking bout when I say that before someone quotes me and starts making political points because that's not the fucking point lol. I didn't feel that way about Bush (either of them), or Clinton, or Obama. At least they respected their position and influence on the character of the people. There was a reverence and an awareness about how they spoke had an impact culturally. Biden seems like a decent guy but he's mentally checked out, too old, and not fit for office at this point. I don't even know how to evaluate him lol. It's like marking something "NA" vs giving an answer or opinion in my mind |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 29, 2024 14:51:03 GMT -5
This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. You defend him no matter what the topic is. Nope. In fact, I think he's a total douche bag and I'm still hopeful he doesn't get the Republican nomination... although that seems slim at this point. |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 29, 2024 14:57:46 GMT -5
This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. New York’s anti-fraud statute, known as Executive Law 63(12), is clear that a finding of fraud does not require intent to deceive or that anyone actually gets duped or loses money. The attorney general must only show “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” Now you know ap.com Who testified on behalf of the state? (Rhetorical). No trail, no request for supporting documents, appraisals, assessments, etc... Here's how the case went...AG said he did it, judge said, hmm, ok. Then they all smiled for the photo op. |
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Post by olaf on Feb 29, 2024 15:08:30 GMT -5
You defend him no matter what the topic is. Nope. In fact, I think he's a total douche bag and I'm still hopeful he doesn't get the Republican nomination... although that seems slim at this point. You still defend him, no matter what the topic is. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 29, 2024 15:57:49 GMT -5
Nope. In fact, I think he's a total douche bag and I'm still hopeful he doesn't get the Republican nomination... although that seems slim at this point. You still defend him, no matter what the topic is. Interesting issue.... I have been (harshly) critical of Trump in the past. True, my criticisms have been largely targeted at his failures and not the every breath the TDS demands. But as a context exercise, can you name any praise for him from the track team? |
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Post by ron on Feb 29, 2024 15:59:05 GMT -5
Was there a president in your lifetime that you were happy with? I know this choice between Biden and Trump sucks. Biden is far less dangersous. Every president in my lifetime was amazing in comparison to Trump lol. At least they weren't publicly displaying behavior that made them objectively horrific role models. Like if you want your kid to grow up to act like Trump something is wrong with you. Like completely remove politics and just think of how he speaks and treats people he interacts with. That's all I'm talking bout when I say that before someone quotes me and starts making political points because that's not the fucking point lol. I didn't feel that way about Bush (either of them), or Clinton, or Obama. At least they respected their position and influence on the character of the people. There was a reverence and an awareness about how they spoke had an impact culturally. Biden seems like a decent guy but he's mentally checked out, too old, and not fit for office at this point. I don't even know how to evaluate him lol. It's like marking something "NA" vs giving an answer or opinion in my mind Biden is probably a normal 82 year old man who is in decent physical shape. The best you can hope for is quality people that surrounding the President. Trump is a one man, attention band. Biden has a team and they cover for his short-comings. In full disclosure, Kamala Harris is an idiot. So, you have that to factor in as well. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Mar 1, 2024 7:41:28 GMT -5
It's almost as if the NY AG thinks of herself as a Party activist......
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Post by Snerb on Mar 1, 2024 8:42:44 GMT -5
This is the root of the problem here... My defense isn't defending Trump. It's acknowledging everyday business practices. People lose sight of reality when they see Trump in the headlines. You defend him no matter what the topic is. Wrong-o. This 'fraud' is happening in every state, every day. Trump is the trigger here, nothing more, nothing less. |
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