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Post by Reagle Ob (2013) on Feb 25, 2024 20:10:55 GMT -5
So freakin insulting on so many levels...
'The Blacks' WTF is this??? He thinks we relate to us because he's being persecuted?
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Post by Snerb on Feb 26, 2024 8:45:22 GMT -5
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Post by ron on Feb 26, 2024 8:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by Snerb on Feb 26, 2024 8:57:28 GMT -5
You have a hair trigger. Go get coffee and a scone. |
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Post by ron on Feb 26, 2024 8:58:06 GMT -5
You have a hair trigger. Go get coffee and a scone. I had some bad hotel coffee this morning |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 26, 2024 10:00:37 GMT -5
So freakin insulting on so many levels... 'The Blacks' WTF is this???  Thoughts? Comments? Fears?? |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 26, 2024 12:03:20 GMT -5
Spent the weekend in Milwaukee to see 2 of our 3 kiddos...
Nothing that exciting, fun bars, great food. Heard gunshots at 5:30am on Sunday when I got up to take a piss.
My wife is enrolled for her CCP class.
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Post by Reagle Ob (2013) on Feb 26, 2024 13:33:50 GMT -5
So freakin insulting on so many levels... 'The Blacks' WTF is this??? Thoughts? Comments? Fears?? Thoughts? Fears? Concerns? That wasn't cool either. You take the video I posted, and think its the same thing as this. Do you think us black folk relate to him because we see him being persecuted in the country, the same way we are. You think his mugshot endures him to us, because you know... we are criminals as well. Biden was wrong to say what he said. You notice he didn't say anything like this again. If you were 45's advisor, would you not pull him to the side and say, "Hey bud... that's probably not a good approach on how you should refer an entire demographic, especially when reducing them to just a pronoun." And why I shouldn't ignorantly speak for all black people, the ones I have who may indeed vote for him, its not because of being able to relate to him in anyway whatsoever. |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 26, 2024 14:04:00 GMT -5
it's almost as if its a pattern with this clown. |
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Post by smd12 on Feb 26, 2024 14:20:43 GMT -5
it's almost as if its a pattern with this clown. And every other investor ever. Try and ask for more than what your property might be worth, lending institution does their due diligence in evaluating the value of said property and eventually there's either a loan, or there isn't, on terms that both parties agree to. |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 26, 2024 14:35:46 GMT -5
it's almost as if its a pattern with this clown. And every other investor ever. Try and ask for more than what your property might be worth, lending institution does their due diligence in evaluating the value of said property and eventually there's either a loan, or there isn't, on terms that both parties agree to. Not quite. Did you actually read the article? A US judge uncovered that false claims had been made regarding the existence of 2,500 built homes as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen. In reality, there was only planning permission for 500 homes and no development had taken place. |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 26, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 26, 2024 15:47:53 GMT -5
And every other investor ever. Try and ask for more than what your property might be worth, lending institution does their due diligence in evaluating the value of said property and eventually there's either a loan, or there isn't, on terms that both parties agree to. Not quite. Did you actually read the article? A US judge uncovered that false claims had been made regarding the existence of 2,500 built homes as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen. In reality, there was only planning permission for 500 homes and no development had taken place. It's my understanding that he grossly overstated the square footage of his penthouses and other properties also |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 26, 2024 15:53:35 GMT -5
And every other investor ever. Try and ask for more than what your property might be worth, lending institution does their due diligence in evaluating the value of said property and eventually there's either a loan, or there isn't, on terms that both parties agree to. Not quite. Did you actually read the article? A US judge uncovered that false claims had been made regarding the existence of 2,500 built homes as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen. In reality, there was only planning permission for 500 homes and no development had taken place. Dumb. I don't know the specifics but this nitpicking details, hanging on every spoken word isn't going to end well for future business in these states. I'm certainly not defending Trump here....but, when looking for investors or financing it not unreasonable to inflate your projections (we've all done it when selling our homes or real estate). An example would be seeking money for a golf course that could hold the US open for example... You'd sell the fact that you're working to host the tournament to potential investors and the revenue that could bring.... If you didn't host the tournament but took their investment money for the golf course did you dupe them? If you take Trump out of this picture it's not unreasonable for someone to say we hope to have as many as 2500 properties associated with this but currently have permits for 500. |
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Post by Snerb on Feb 26, 2024 15:55:04 GMT -5
Not quite. Did you actually read the article? A US judge uncovered that false claims had been made regarding the existence of 2,500 built homes as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen. In reality, there was only planning permission for 500 homes and no development had taken place. It's my understanding that he grossly overstated the square footage of his penthouses and other properties also How? I don't get to just say how big my house is when it's built ..there's inspections and permits that are public record that hold that data. |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 26, 2024 16:06:38 GMT -5
It's my understanding that he grossly overstated the square footage of his penthouses and other properties also How? I don't get to just say how big my house is when it's built ..there's inspections and permits that are public record that hold that data. I dont know if you've ever tried to get those records, but it can be difficult at best. And once again, it's my understanding that it isn't that he overvalued his assets, its how he overvalued them and how much he overvalued them. It's one thing for a developer to take a property, look at comps and add 10% to the value of their property. It's another thing to take a property, ignore comps, and set an unrealistic value based on "plans" or "brand premium" or flat out false info about the property. |
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Post by ron on Feb 26, 2024 16:08:01 GMT -5
Trump is like an asshole suffering the morning after a night of food that was far too hot and spicy
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 26, 2024 16:14:50 GMT -5
Not quite. Did you actually read the article? A US judge uncovered that false claims had been made regarding the existence of 2,500 built homes as part of a project associated with the loss-making Trump International Golf Club in Aberdeen. In reality, there was only planning permission for 500 homes and no development had taken place. Dumb. I don't know the specifics but this nitpicking details, hanging on every spoken word isn't going to end well for future business in these states. I'm certainly not defending Trump here....but, when looking for investors or financing it not unreasonable to inflate your projections (we've all done it when selling our homes or real estate). An example would be seeking money for a golf course that could hold the US open for example... You'd sell the fact that you're working to host the tournament to potential investors and the revenue that could bring.... If you didn't host the tournament but took their investment money for the golf course did you dupe them? If you take Trump out of this picture it's not unreasonable for someone to say we hope to have as many as 2500 properties associated with this but currently have permits for 500. I think this took place in scotland. |
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Post by Goats gotta Goat on Feb 26, 2024 17:01:29 GMT -5
lmao
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Post by cityofchamps on Feb 26, 2024 21:19:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to like the direction that FoxNews is moving in since getting rid of Tucky. Hannity is still a stooge, but they are being more unbiased and standing up for the facts instead of blindly following Trump (losing an $800 million+ lawsuit because of blindly following this stooge will do that to a network). They still have their biases, but they aren't Trump's propaganda machine anymore that will refuse to call him out on his nonsense. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 27, 2024 7:20:42 GMT -5
I dont know if you've ever tried to get those records, but it can be difficult at best. And once again, it's my understanding that it isn't that he overvalued his assets, its how he overvalued them and how much he overvalued them. It's one thing for a developer to take a property, look at comps and add 10% to the value of their property. It's another thing to take a property, ignore comps, and set an unrealistic value based on "plans" or "brand premium" or flat out false info about the property. This happens everywhere, all the time. Standard business practice. He entered into a negotiated, private contract that both parties were satisfied with. Lenders have no (zero/zip/nada) legal responsibility to charge Trump punitive interest rates (for now). They are free to offer him any rate they choose. His record of paying back loans on time has banks competing by..... take your best guess....offering lower, competitive rates. You may hate the fuck out of that, but that's how banks operate everywhere for everyone. The more interest you pay on time, the better rates banks offer. The more you are delinquent or default, the higher rates they offer. Schools should teach this. It's important to know. If you believe that contract harmed someone, both parties are guilty of the harm. Prosecute both...or is this just another fraudulent legal attack targeted at Trump? |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 27, 2024 7:49:03 GMT -5
That wasn't cool either. You take the video I posted, and think its the same thing as this. Do you think us black folk relate to him because we see him being persecuted in the country, the same way we are. You think his mugshot endures him to us, because you know... we are criminals as well. His comparative point wasn't blacks are all criminals but that some have been unfairly treated by the law, like he believes he has. You are free to disagree with his assessment that some (many?) blacks have been unfairly treated by the law. Biden was wrong to say what he said. You notice he didn't say anything like this again. If you were 45's advisor, would you not pull him to the side and say, "Hey bud... that's probably not a good approach on how you should refer an entire demographic, especially when reducing them to just a pronoun." Except Biden has a history of racism only eclipsed by Robert Byrd since the Kennedy Administration. Not merely public comments but associations, legislation and policies. His VP openly called him a racist on a public debate stage. And why I shouldn't ignorantly speak for all black people, the ones I have who may indeed vote for him, its not because of being able to relate to him in anyway whatsoever. I don't think you intended to be the final voice for any group, you just had a flash of TDS...... |
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Post by BuckysRevenge on Feb 27, 2024 9:42:35 GMT -5
I dont know if you've ever tried to get those records, but it can be difficult at best. And once again, it's my understanding that it isn't that he overvalued his assets, its how he overvalued them and how much he overvalued them. It's one thing for a developer to take a property, look at comps and add 10% to the value of their property. It's another thing to take a property, ignore comps, and set an unrealistic value based on "plans" or "brand premium" or flat out false info about the property. This happens everywhere, all the time. Standard business practice. He entered into a negotiated, private contract that both parties were satisfied with. Lenders have no (zero/zip/nada) legal responsibility to charge Trump punitive interest rates (for now). They are free to offer him any rate they choose. His record of paying back loans on time has banks competing by..... take your best guess....offering lower, competitive rates. You may hate the fuck out of that, but that's how banks operate everywhere for everyone. The more interest you pay on time, the better rates banks offer. The more you are delinquent or default, the higher rates they offer. Schools should teach this. It's important to know. If you believe that contract harmed someone, both parties are guilty of the harm. Prosecute both...or is this just another fraudulent legal attack targeted at Trump? I see you ignored most of what I posted. It isn't that he did it that drew attention. It's how he did it that differs from the rest. Oh, and does Trump have a stellar track record of paying back loans? Or paying contractors? |
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Post by smd12 on Feb 27, 2024 9:50:04 GMT -5
This happens everywhere, all the time. Standard business practice. He entered into a negotiated, private contract that both parties were satisfied with. Lenders have no (zero/zip/nada) legal responsibility to charge Trump punitive interest rates (for now). They are free to offer him any rate they choose. His record of paying back loans on time has banks competing by..... take your best guess....offering lower, competitive rates. You may hate the fuck out of that, but that's how banks operate everywhere for everyone. The more interest you pay on time, the better rates banks offer. The more you are delinquent or default, the higher rates they offer. Schools should teach this. It's important to know. If you believe that contract harmed someone, both parties are guilty of the harm. Prosecute both...or is this just another fraudulent legal attack targeted at Trump? I see you ignored most of what I posted. It isn't that he did it that drew attention. It's how he did it that differs from the rest. Oh, and does Trump have a stellar track record of paying back loans? Or paying contractors? I don't understand why people can't comprehend that he can be both shady, and also be unfairly treated by the court system. The egregious fines in NY set a horrible president for potential investors in that state. I think O'leary nailed it in saying that this will likely, and should, prevent investors from wanting anything to do with New York. |
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Post by Sir Tinley on Feb 27, 2024 10:00:01 GMT -5
I see you ignored most of what I posted. Actually, I didn't. I'll itemize it it for you.... I dont know if you've ever tried to get those records, but it can be difficult at best. I have not. I suspect banks can get that info much easier than I can. News and legal teams can get FOIA easier than me. Cops can get arrest records easier than me. And once again, it's my understanding that it isn't that he overvalued his assets, its how he overvalued them and how much he overvalued them. Makes no (zero/zip/nada) difference. Trump can claim he owns Greenland and it's up the the bank to verify the claim or accept it. It isn't an issue for gov't. If Trump has trouble paying back his loan it will red flag banks who will scrutinize him more critically next time. It's one thing for a developer to take a property, look at comps and add 10% to the value of their property. It's another thing to take a property, ignore comps, and set an unrealistic value based on "plans" or "brand premium" or flat out false info about the property. If the bank agreed, they are contractually involved. You keep (continuing) to avoid answering if they should be legally liable for participating in the contract. It's how he did it that differs from the rest. Every contract, by simple definition, is different. They are never identical. Oh, and does Trump have a stellar track record of paying back loans? Or paying contractors? I have no idea. The banks are giving him top rate loans and are eager to do so again. That, to me, means they are satisfied by his loan history. You can tell them they are wrong if you believe differently. |
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